Comments on: Pushing the Boundaries of the Four Factors http://celticshub.com/2009/11/10/pushing-the-boundaries-of-the-four-factors/ Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:33:17 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Is This the Worst Pacer Team Ever? http://celticshub.com/2009/11/10/pushing-the-boundaries-of-the-four-factors/comment-page-1/#comment-27977 Is This the Worst Pacer Team Ever? Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:13:32 +0000 http://celticshub.com/?p=4151#comment-27977 [...] in November, Zach Lowe of Celtics Hub did a really interesting piece called “Pushing the Boundaries of the Four Factors” in which he was trying to understand if a team could contend for a title if it was sub-standard in [...] [...] in November, Zach Lowe of Celtics Hub did a really interesting piece called “Pushing the Boundaries of the Four Factors” in which he was trying to understand if a team could contend for a title if it was sub-standard in [...]

]]> By: A Reason for Hope: The Biggest Surprise in Boston’s Season » Boston Celtics Basketball – Celtics news, rumors and analysis – CelticsHub.com http://celticshub.com/2009/11/10/pushing-the-boundaries-of-the-four-factors/comment-page-1/#comment-21166 A Reason for Hope: The Biggest Surprise in Boston’s Season » Boston Celtics Basketball – Celtics news, rumors and analysis – CelticsHub.com Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:40:11 +0000 http://celticshub.com/?p=4151#comment-21166 [...] two months ago, I wrote a worried post pointing out that the Celtics ranked near the bottom of the league in three of the so-called four [...] [...] two months ago, I wrote a worried post pointing out that the Celtics ranked near the bottom of the league in three of the so-called four [...]

]]> By: Friday Positive Stat of the Day: Return of the Free Throws » Boston Celtics Basketball – Celtics news, rumors and analysis – CelticsHub.com http://celticshub.com/2009/11/10/pushing-the-boundaries-of-the-four-factors/comment-page-1/#comment-16067 Friday Positive Stat of the Day: Return of the Free Throws » Boston Celtics Basketball – Celtics news, rumors and analysis – CelticsHub.com Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:23:37 +0000 http://celticshub.com/?p=4151#comment-16067 [...] this season, I wondered whether the Celtics could be a championship team while ranking near the bottom of the league in three of the so-called Four Factors of winning on [...] [...] this season, I wondered whether the Celtics could be a championship team while ranking near the bottom of the league in three of the so-called Four Factors of winning on [...]

]]> By: A Quick Note on Rebounding » Boston Celtics Basketball – Celtics news, rumors and analysis – CelticsHub.com http://celticshub.com/2009/11/10/pushing-the-boundaries-of-the-four-factors/comment-page-1/#comment-14194 A Quick Note on Rebounding » Boston Celtics Basketball – Celtics news, rumors and analysis – CelticsHub.com Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:18:10 +0000 http://celticshub.com/?p=4151#comment-14194 [...] is a huge, huge drop, and we’ve discussed the reasons for it in several other posts. (Hint: Sheed and [...] [...] is a huge, huge drop, and we’ve discussed the reasons for it in several other posts. (Hint: Sheed and [...]

]]> By: When Shots Fall, Blowouts Happen: C’s 105, Jazz 86 » Boston Celtics Basketball – Celtics news, rumors and analysis – CelticsHub.com http://celticshub.com/2009/11/10/pushing-the-boundaries-of-the-four-factors/comment-page-1/#comment-13102 When Shots Fall, Blowouts Happen: C’s 105, Jazz 86 » Boston Celtics Basketball – Celtics news, rumors and analysis – CelticsHub.com Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:26:20 +0000 http://celticshub.com/?p=4151#comment-13102 [...] this week, I asked the question: Can the Celtics be a contending team if they rate poorly in three of the Four Factors on offense—offensive rebounding, turnovers and getting to the foul line? The answer: Hell yes, if they [...] [...] this week, I asked the question: Can the Celtics be a contending team if they rate poorly in three of the Four Factors on offense—offensive rebounding, turnovers and getting to the foul line? The answer: Hell yes, if they [...]

]]> By: CB http://celticshub.com/2009/11/10/pushing-the-boundaries-of-the-four-factors/comment-page-1/#comment-13037 CB Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:17:18 +0000 http://celticshub.com/?p=4151#comment-13037 Interesting stuff - but don't put the whole decline in free throw attempts down to the loss of Powe. The Celtics are shooting about five fewer free throws per game this year - and about half of the decline is due to Pierce, Allen and KG. They're shooting about 3 fewer FTAs than last year per game. What's really striking (though more or less what I expected) is how much PP's playing style has changed a lot in the last few years. As recently as the 2005-6 season, PP averaged 10.3 free throw attempts/game - this year he's at half that, 5.3. A little of that is due to reduced minutes, but he's been in steady decline. The change makes sense - he's a much more efficient player with all the scoring talent around him now, and he should try to avoid the pounding he used to take by hurling himself into the trees - but it really cuts the FTAs/game. Interesting stuff – but don’t put the whole decline in free throw attempts down to the loss of Powe. The Celtics are shooting about five fewer free throws per game this year – and about half of the decline is due to Pierce, Allen and KG. They’re shooting about 3 fewer FTAs than last year per game.

What’s really striking (though more or less what I expected) is how much PP’s playing style has changed a lot in the last few years. As recently as the 2005-6 season, PP averaged 10.3 free throw attempts/game – this year he’s at half that, 5.3. A little of that is due to reduced minutes, but he’s been in steady decline.

The change makes sense – he’s a much more efficient player with all the scoring talent around him now, and he should try to avoid the pounding he used to take by hurling himself into the trees – but it really cuts the FTAs/game.

]]> By: Joel W http://celticshub.com/2009/11/10/pushing-the-boundaries-of-the-four-factors/comment-page-1/#comment-13021 Joel W Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:20:20 +0000 http://celticshub.com/?p=4151#comment-13021 Jeff, for what it's worth I don't really see a correlation between the ORB and defensive rating. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I'm not seeing it. Jeff, for what it’s worth I don’t really see a correlation between the ORB and defensive rating. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but I’m not seeing it.

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