The Oregonian had the initial report this morning that the C’s, as well as Bulls and Knicks were in the running in a deal for swingman Rudy Fernandez. Now we have an updated report from our friend Tom Halzack at CelticsBlog staying that the C’s are in “lead position” in negotiations:
Other teams interested including New York and Chicago, but the Celtics are apparently getting the first shot, thus allowing one to assume they are a preferred destination, either in terms of desirability for Rudy or trading pieces for the Blazers.
CH’s Take: First off, let me just say this is terrific news. Fernandez is far and away the best swingman readily available on the free agent/trade market. I would expect Danny Ainge to be very aggressive here, but make no mistake the C’s will likely have to give up something of value.
Given that Fernandez is under a team-friendly contract, signed for the next three years (including options), I doubt just one late 1st round pick would be enough to get it done. With Fernandez wanting out though, it might be the best Portland can get for him.
Obviously, there’s Sheed’s contract that could be thrown into the mix, but a quick glance of the Blazers roster shows no real dead weight the team might be looking to get rid of in a salary dump, so that option appears unlikely.
The C’s otherwise, have no real assets, besides draft picks they are likely willing to trade. So it’s likely to be a standoff of how many picks is Ainge willing to fork over to suit Portland?
The good news is New York has dealt pretty much all of their 1st round picks away, so they have little to offer, besides someone like Wilson Chandler. The Bulls are in play here as well, are said to have been dangling James Johnson, but Chicago may not be a preferred destination for Rudy, given their glut of newly signed swingmen (Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer).
So here’s my question to you C’s fans. Knowing how big of an upgrade this would be, how much would you be willing to give up? More than 1st round pick? What’s Fernandez worth to you?
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@JayP
I’m with you on Rudy’s ‘D’, but when Ray and Pierce are clanking shots we need a few go to guys to score the ball. Nate is a viable option, Rudy would be as well. He’s really the perfect fit because he can fill it up in multiple ways. Celts didn’t need another Korver or Kapono.
Since the beginning he’s been on the radar, and I think all the due diligence regarding the Delonte West’s of the world is just that. Rudy has always been their man and he carries the right price tag.
@Sophomore
If he can be had for draft picks, then we still have a 2 for 1 proposition to lure Shaq and Moon or Parker. Parker isn’t a bad defender.
Id give up next year’s 1st and the year after 2nd for him at least. This would be a HUGE pickup as he would come off the bench but would play as many minutes as possible. Probably just shy of starter’s minutes with Paul getting up in age and wanting to keep him ready for the playoffs like last year. Rudy would play a huge role in every single game and also take the pressure off Daniels and let him come into his role with more ease. Daniels will be much better this year if healthy since he really knows the system now and he really is a solid player as we saw in Indiana. Daniels could really work on being that shutdown defender that we need with Rudy picking up lots of the offense. When Perk is back Rudy, Nate, Baby, and O’Neal will be nice off the bench
trading baby would be kind of dramatic… we’re trying to keep the team together, while trading or acquiring pieces that could help… I prefer to let go of the rookies and a few draft picks. I don’t think it’s too insane. Gaffney/Lafayette? Fine not good enough but avery bradley may be intriguing for the Blazers. Let’s see what happens…
Some might think I’m crazy but I think Rudy and Pryzbilla can be had for a 1st(plus maybe a 2nd) and Sheed. Portland is in cost cutting mode right now (as seen by them dumping Webster then cutting Gomes) and they are looking to dump Pryzbilla.
Portland could wait for a team have an injury and have the cap room to absorb Pryzbilla’s contract or they could dump him now. Pryzbilla will not be happy in Porland as the third center getting no minutes.
I also think Avery Bradley can be somebody in this league– remember, he slipped to 19 due to a late injury, one which seems to be easily remedied. Only a year ago he was entering college as according to some the #1 high school player in the country. Danny will want to give Portland as little as possible, and I really hope Rudy can be had without giving up Bradley. Both of them have the potential to be valuable assets over the years.
how can bradley become good if he doesn’t get any playing time and is behind rondo, nate, allen, fernandez in the depth chart for years to come??? perhaps trading bradley could mean we wouldn’t have to let go of any draft picks. I guess it’s between bradley and Big Baby for some people sooooo… ????
The blazers cut Gomes…as in, Ryan Gomes, the former celtic? Gomes was an awesome team player and glue guy for the celtics. If we can get Gomes that would be better than Rudy(just my 2 cents).
Scratch off Josh Howard. Wiz just signed him to a one year deal at $4m.
last post I make… I’m kind of excited about the idea of getting both both Pryz and Fernandez or at least fernandez alone so… if I was Danny Ainge, I’d inquire about my first proposal Gaffney+Lafayette+1stand/or2nd+Sheed=Fernandez,Pryzbilla. If that doesn’t work, I’d go with Bradley+Sheed=Fernandez+Pryzbilla and if that doesn’t work I’d try Bradley+Sheed+1stor2nd=Fernandez+Pryzbilla. In case they don’t want to trade Pryz or we don’t want to get him for some reason I’d go: Gaffney+Lafayette+1stand/or2nd=Fernandez or Bradley=Fernandez or Bradley+2nd=Fernandez… if you guys don’t like any of that or still want to trade Big Baby, f*** you…
We can’t trade Big Baby simply because that creates another hole on the bench. They need to rest KG, so now you’ve got to go get a decent power forward.
Maybe a number one next year and a two after that. Or Bradley and a two.
Danny needs to get this done with draft picks. The window of opportunity is closing on this team. Save the Sheed contract for a sign and trade to obtain Shaq, and then the C’s are right back in the Finals.
How about 2011-1st and 2012-2nd = Rudy Fernandez? Since KG and Ray has 2 years left in their contract, the Cs will prolly be in bottom in draft for the next 2 years and might not have a good draft pick. If we are talking of long terms, Rondo, Fernandez, Perk, BigBaby will be a young core of talents to fight for the Cs.
I’m sorry but most of these posts are uneducated really. Everyone is so ready to trade Avery Bradley w/o even letting him show what he can do (as with Chauncey Billups, Joe Johnson, Bill Walker). Its funny 3 yrs ago everyone wanted to trade away Rondo now he’s an All-Star. If Fernandez could be had for future draft picks the DA should go ahead if not I say don’t mortage the future for a Spaniard who openly said he would like to return to spain when his contract is up
Initially I say just a first round. But it will be a late first round. More importantly, his contract is great for the C’s. It allows them to make another pick up with financial flexibility. If we are planning on finishing high then lets do 1 and 2 from next year.
if they can pick up rudy and shaq, without giving up baby or bradley, danny will be gm of the year. because the c’s can model their bench much like the phoenix suns second unit, with rudy, shaq, baby, nate and marquis. they can play inside out with shaq getting the touches, he wouldn’t get with any other contender, nate and rudy given the green light to be playmakers, and spread the floor with three point shooting. and quis and baby utilizing their mid-range games. if they pick up rudy without using sheed’s contract. smart money says they are going to use it on shaq if no other quality big man is available.
@Mr411 Bill Walker??? Don’t make me laugh!!! Billups is a Finals MVP and was picked 3rd in the draft so be careful with your comparisons… You do understand that we’re trying to stay in contention and there’s not much available, right? Rasheed for Battier sounds unlikely and the Blazers want to trade Rudy. Three years ago we had to give up Al Jefferson to get KG and win a championship. The guy may become a superstar now next to Deron Williams, but will they win a championship? We still have a shot and Rudy could change his mind if he plays for the right team. He could be our starter in 1 or 2 years after Ray’s contract expires… there’s no guarantee that any player will become an all-star… the blazers are not giving rudy for free it’s that simple. I’m not sure if draft picks alone will make it but hey if Danny can pull it off then great… but yeah instead of getting rudy let’s just trade Sheed’s contract for Brando Roy! at least that way Danny could win GM of the year! and be careful with your words because it sounds like you dislike Spaniards or something…
Bill Walker? Who’s that?
jk!
Hey guys what do you think of this 3 team trade?
1)Portland gets:
Sheed´s contract
2)Boston gets:
Shaq and Rudy Fernandez
3)Cleveland gets:
Joel Przybilla
I believe(i dont know if this trade works)
that is a win-win situation for all the teams
we get 2 players we need
cleveland gets a C to play there(they dont have any REAL center rightnow)
and portland cap relieve
what do you think?
it´s possible?
@paulo porto I think the trades would have to be made separately… I don’t think this way it works because the blazers want something in return and not just cap relief… if it was the all-star break, przybilla had like 3 years left on his contract and the blazers weren’t going to the playoffs then yeah… but getting both shaq and rudy or pryz and rudy would be great…
@paulo porto it’s not a bad idea though… if more pieces were involved then maybe it would be the best way to get rudy… and shaq… I think that a 3rd team would be needed if Danny doesn’t want to trade Bradley or if the Blazers won’t just take draft picks, which is probably the case because there are several teams that want Rudy…
sheeds contract plus gaffney and picks for fernandez and oden
I love Avery Bradley, but the C’s have point guards, they need to keep Davis behind KG, and have no wing who can fill for Pierce.
Nate Robinson, Marquis Daniels, Rudy Fernandez, Glen Davis, and (eventually) Jermaine O’Neal could make an effective second unit.
@Paulo – creative, but Portland never does that trade. They give up two players and all they get is an expiring contract. Surely they could get more from the Cs in a straight-up deal, or just hang onto him and wait for the trading deadline.
don’t see portland giving up pryzbila yet. and no way they want bradley….they already have an undersized combo guard they have been bringing along slowly and are finally getting production from: bayless.
portland wants picks and cap relief. they are going to make some blockbusters this year and will want to stockpile some ammo for those. rudy’s contract is sweet as pie. its worth burning a couple picks on and let him mature. i’d give a first and second rounder. i wouldn’t give up two firsts, aqnd i wouldn’t give up sheeds contract.
would love to see danny try and get the blazers to throw in the rights to petteri koponen somehow.
Nooooooooooo way will i be willing to give up Bradley for Rudy.A couple of 1st rounders and Sheed’s C yeah, but i’m not trading Bradley before i get to see what he can do on the court.
Scratch that, 1st and a 2nd+Sheed’s C for Rudy.
save sheeds c and get Tolliver
Y’all forget,Monta Ellis is 6’3,Bradley 6’2 w/o shoes.So he’s really 6’3 when he’s playing ball,which is what matters at the end of the day.Bradley is the better defender……BUT check this out,Bradley recorded the highest max vert for SGs out of the combine.Wait,there’s more,he also has a longer reach and wingspan than Monta,a higher max vert reach,faster agility and recorded a faster sprint time.
Not to mention he’s only 19,so realistically he’s got about 4-5 more years of growth.
Why am i saying this.
Well, i believe Danny and Doc really did their homework on this kid.I think they intend on playing him as a backup to Ray at the 2 and some people here,think he’s too short to play that position.He has a longer reach and wingspan than Hinrich,who has evolved into a his own comfort zone playing the 2.
The only physical aspect Bradley needs work on, to have any success playing the 2 in this league is strength.That can very much, be improved.
This trade would work…We’re not giving up any draft picks. The only reason i would doubt it would go through is because Portland probably won’t want to give up Joel and Rudy. But hey, we wouldn’t be losing anything…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2akrtqw
Here’s another interesting number.Nate Robinson’s agility time: 10.75,Tony Allen: 10.70.Basically agility time is a measurement or an indication of lateral quickness,in other words, a very capable on ball defender.
Shaun Livingston recorded 10.72.
Ah just a sidenote, i’m not sure whether or not Bradley’s rather slow agility time was due to him nursing that injured ankle or what.
Oh,sad news,RIP Lorenzen Wright,may he rest in peace.
@Shooter we already talked about those trades at the beginning of the thread… listen if Danny gets it done then great, awesome, but the truth is the Blazers would be giving up 2 good players for nothing… just because the trade machine says it works it doesn’t mean it works… you have to include several draft picks or at least 2 to make that work: lafayette/gaffney/sheed/2 draft picks… and there’s no guarantee that it will work… I’m not trying to hate on bradley I believe he’s going to be great but I just don’t know what the blazers want and I don’t think they’ll trade guys just for rasheed’s contract and right now I see the Blazers as a team that could give the kid more playing time and the Celtics would be better with Fernandez… don’t forget we have rondo and nate… also remember that both the knicks and bulls are trying to get fernandez too…
@Shooter I’m sorry you actually didn’t post the trade…
@shooters also… rasheed’s contract and rudy’s contract don’t match… you’d have to involve another player
Here’s a rather good article on the top offensive players vs above average defenses,a la Boston,Orlando,Charlotte,Milwaukee.http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=7063
Miami will undoubtedly be a very scary offensive team.Can we hold them down?
I give up on this subject… I hope we get Rudy. I do think the Celtics can get back to the finals if they make a couple of moves…
I don’t know Al,Joel Przybilla maybe.That’s what others are saying here.
Here’s a match:
Boston gets:
Rudy,Przybilla
Portland gets:
Sheed,Gaffney,future 1st,2nd
@Shooter that would be great… actually that was one of my first thoughts but it doesn’t look very attractive for the blazers… by the way, they’re meeting on sunday with coach mcmillan to make a decision… sunday is also the day avery bradley becomes available to be traded… just saying…
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/7/28/1593734/rudy-fernandez-trade-talk-cools-at
@Al yes i said Bill Walker… he played well when he got minutes in NY. and i have nothing against Spaniards. im all for trading for Rudy but just not at the expense of Avery Bradley or BBD. Thanks… Go Green
@Al also regardless of your the fact remains the C’s have a habit of trading away young players who end up being good to great for a quick fix. I guess u just want to me in contention for the next to yrs then head back to the lottery smh
@Mr411 – We always remember the good players who got traded away – that stings. But the Cs have also traded away a lot of young players who turned out to be nothing, and came out ahead on the deal. If you make it a rule never to trade young players, you’ll miss a lot of opportunities.
@shooter… some of the comments you made regarding A.Bradley make me compare him to Shannon Brown. Just a thought.
Haven’t seen Rudy play much but he seem to be a good fit for the Celts so we’ll see if the trade actually happens.
It seems the Fakers are looking to dump Sasha Vucavic… isnt he similar to Rudy in style of play? Man, I hate that dude but I want to see how everyone feels if he were to available for the Celts. I wouldnt trade for him just out of sheer spite…damn Fakers.
@Anthony… Rudy is more athletic and less annoying…
@shooter….The Lakers are torn between trying to move Sasha’s contract now (assuming they could find a taker) to make room for Brown’s additional salary requirements…..
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Wait to see if Walton is going to have to retire before training camp because of his serious back problems which along with Sasha’s expiring contract in a year, (similar to Boston and Wallace) could provide more opportunity for an upscale player in a trade.